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The First-generation Terminal — MoonBot
Moonbot Our team has developed and is supporting the trading terminal MoonBot which was introduced in October 3, 2017. Currently, the performance of MoonBot surpasses that of most existing trading systems as a result of its advanced functionality and the high security features designed to protect your trading activities. Secure Connection to the Exchange The connection from MoonBot to an Exchange is carried out using special keys that the user receives from an exchange such as Binance or Bittrex. MoonBot connects securely to cryptocurrency trading Exchanges through two special keys which are uniquely and only known to their owner. These are the API key, and the Secret key, both of which the users receives directly from the Exchange. The MoonBot terminal then receives data and information from the exchange’s API collected at several different access levels, including: Public information (publicly accessible data related to trading in general):
real-time executed orders.
Authenticated information (unique to the users and which requires authentication access using the special keys): personal account status (wallet balances);
user transactions (such as the details of executed trades).
After receiving the various data information from the exchange, the terminal records these data in a local database for further processing and application. Security Systems The MoonBot terminal provides completely private storage of all your personal data! The MoonBot team has absolutely no access to personal data, you are the only one controlling its security and have complete control over access to your details. The MoonBot team are not able to withdraw, nor to move, any funds from your personal Exchange account or wallet. You can therefore safely use the terminal for trading, receiving public information from the Exchange, and should you wish to share with others, the trading data on your account. You therefore are the only person with control and access to your Exchange wallet, and can be completely assured of the absolute security of your private funds. Lightning-fast Execution of the Orders on the Exchange and Order Status Update Depending on the distance of the user from the exchange servers, the delay in order execution should not exceed 1 second. Theoretically, the delay can be reduced to a minimum intangible — 10–20 ms. Below is presented a very short extract(4 seconds in total) of the MoonBot log text file with brief explanations and highlights of the key features. The MoonBot log text file with brief explanations and highlights of the key features. Tick Chart. Display of All Orders on the Chart Thanks to the API connection to the exchange, the terminal receives stream data of all filled orders on the exchange as soon as they were processed by the exchange servers and immediately displays them on the chart. Tick Chart. Thus, the visualization of the current state of the market is provided in real time with an accuracy of tens of milliseconds and as detailed as displaying each order on the chart. Auto Trading on Signals Fully automatic processing and trading off Telegram signals as well as parced TradingView alerts. https://preview.redd.it/rw6im5wl1m931.png?width=1095&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ce7e7287dae27a0a71970083435fa93e592e5b5 Automatic Detection of Market Conditions and Reaction to its Changes Thanks to streaming data acquisition, the terminal monitors all available markets simultaneously, and is therefore able to react almost instantaneously as favorable trading possibilities are presented. And due to the minimal delay in the execution of orders, MoonBot responds to abnormal changes almost instantly. Advanced Orders. Stop Loss, Take Profit, Trailing Stop OCO orders (one cancels the other) are one of the most sought-after functions from both the Exchanges providing liquidity to the markets, and applications running on top of the exchanges. The modern Trader cannot trade without the basic “smart” functions and addons to traditional exchange orders and considers them to be the minimum necessary set in their armory. https://preview.redd.it/3gsh12b42m931.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f21bd7e7505f9bb5a95555cf355bb6f1f5efab4 Stop Loss One of the most important tools for Traders is to be able to place orders whilst practicing safe money management in order to mitigate against losses. One of the most important safety tools is to use a Stop Loss, which is especially important in volatile, low liquidity markets. With MoonBot, the user can set a Stop Loss threshold (either as a percentage of the order price, or as a number of price points), which their strategy can accept should the price move in the opposite direction to that expected. When this threshold value has been reached, the order will be closed automatically. Technically, a Stop Loss can be set up in two ways: either as a stop-limit order placed directly on the exchange at the same time as the initial position is opened; or as a function controlled in real-time by the MoonBot terminal itself. Additional types of conditional Stop Loss functions include:
Additional and conditional Stop Losses – these are activated by a timer, and depend on the price reached. Thus Moonbot can raise the Stop Loss to a break-even point, or can be set to move upward to follow coin growth and to achieve higher profitability.
BV/SV Ratio Stop Loss — this is a measure of buying/selling pressure and depends on the ratio of the volume of coin purchases compared against sales over a given time range. For example, if the number of sales exceeds the number of purchases, then this Stop Loss would be activated
V-STOP — this is a stop which depends on the volume in the orderbook, where a price and volume level is set, which if broken will activate the Stop Loss.
Trailing Stop — Trailing Stop is a General Stop Loss Management Tool. This very important feature allows the Trader to maximize profit in an automatic mode by following upward price movements, until the price reverses by a preset amount. At that stage the Stop Loss is activated. Take Profit
The Trader can fix the profit gained as the value of an asset increases in several ways:
By closing the position after a predefined profit percentage has been reached.
By remaining in the position, and setting the Stop Loss level to break-even, or to higher profit levels.
All trade actions from the Master Terminal are repeated on the Follower’s Terminal (slave terminal).
The Follower’s deposit remains securely in their own personal exchange account.
The Trusted Management feature does not have direct access to money, or to direct trading on someone else’s account, but manages only its own Exchange orders, simultaneously broadcasting encrypted messages to Followers terminals containing all Master actions.
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An extensive guide for cashing out bitcoin and cryptocurrencies into private banks
Hey guys. Merry Xmas ! I am coming back to you with a follow up post, as I have helped many people cash out this year and I have streamlined the process. After my original post, I received many requests to be more specific and provide more details. I thought that after the amazing rally we have been attending over the last few months, and the volatility of the last few days, it would be interesting to revisit more extensively. The attitude of banks around crypto is changing slowly, but it is still a tough stance. For the first partial cash out I operated around a year ago for a client, it took me months to find a bank. They wouldn’t want to even consider the case and we had to knock at each and every door. Despite all my contacts it was very difficult back in the days. This has changed now, and banks have started to open their doors, but there is a process, a set of best practices and codes one has to follow. I often get requests from crypto guys who are very privacy-oriented, and it takes me months to have them understand that I am bound by Swiss law on banking secrecy, and I am their ally in this onboarding process. It’s funny how I have to convince people that banks are legit, while on the other side, banks ask me to show that crypto millionaires are legit. I have a solid background in both banking and in crypto so I manage to make the bridge, but yeah sometimes it is tough to reconcile the two worlds. I am a crypto enthusiast myself and I can say that after years of work in the banking industry I have grown disillusioned towards banks as well, like many of you. Still an account in a Private bank is convenient and powerful. So let’s get started.
A. What is required to open an account in a Private bank when you made your fortune through crypto.
There are two different aspects to your onboarding in a Swiss Private bank, compliance-wise. *The origin of your crypto wealth *Your background (residence, citizenship and probity) These two aspects must be documented in-depth. How to document your crypto wealth. Each new crypto millionaire has a different story. I may detail a few fun stories later in this post, but at the end of the day, most of crypto rich I have met can be categorized within the following profiles: the miner, the early adopter, the trader, the corporate entity, the black market, the libertarian/OTC buyer. The real question is how you prove your wealth is legit. 1. Context around the original amount/investment Generally speaking, your first crypto purchase may not be documented. But the context around this acquisition can be. I have had many cases where the original amount was bought through Mtgox, and no proof of purchase could be provided, nor could be documented any Mtgox claim. That’s perfectly fine. At some point Mtgox amounted 70% of the bitcoin transactions globally, and people who bought there and managed to withdraw and keep hold of their bitcoins do not have any Mtgox claim. This is absolutely fine. However, if you can show me the record of a wire from your bank to Tisbane (Mtgox's parent company) it's a great way to start. Otherwise, what I am trying to document here is the following: I need context. If you made your first purchase by saving from summer jobs, show me a payroll. Even if it was USD 2k. If you acquired your first bitcoins from mining, show me the bills of your mining equipment from 2012 or if it was through a pool mine, give me your slushpool account ref for instance. If you were given bitcoin against a service you charged, show me an invoice. 2. Tracking your wealth until today and making sense of it. What I have been doing over the last few months was basically educating compliance officers. Thanks God, the blockchain is a global digital ledger! I have been telling my auditors and compliance officers they have the best tool at their disposal to lead a proper investigation. Whether you like it or not, your wealth can be tracked, from address to address. You may have thought all along this was a bad feature, but I am telling you, if you want to cash out, in the context of Private Banking onboarding, tracking your wealth through the block explorer is a boon. We can see the inflows, outflows. We can see the age behind an address. An early adopter who bought 1000 BTC in 2010, and let his bitcoin behind one address and held thus far is legit, whether or not he has a proof of purchase to show. That’s just common sense. My job is to explain that to the banks in a language they understand. Let’s have a look at a few examples and how to document the few profiles I mentioned earlier. The trader. I love traders. These are easy cases. I have a ton of respect for them. Being a trader myself in investment banks for a decade earlier in my career has taught me that controlling one’s emotions and having the discipline to impose oneself some proper risk management system is really really hard. Further, being able to avoid the exchange bankruptcy and hacks throughout crypto history is outstanding. It shows real survival instinct, or just plain blissed ignorance. In any cases traders at exchange are easy cases to corroborate since their whole track record is potentially available. Some traders I have met have automated their trading and have shown me more than 500k trades done over the span of 4 years. Obviously in this kind of scenario I don’t show everything to the bank to avoid information overload, and prefer to do some snacking here and there. My strategy is to show the early trades, the most profitable ones, explain the trading strategy and (partially expose) the situation as of now with id pages of the exchanges and current balance. Many traders have become insensitive to the risk of parking their crypto at exchange as they want to be able to trade or to grasp an occasion any minute, so they generally do not secure a substantial portion on the blockchain which tends to make me very nervous. The early adopter. Provided that he has not mixed his coin, the early adopter or “hodler” is not a difficult case either. Who cares how you bought your first 10k btc if you bought them below 3$ ? Even if you do not have a purchase proof, I would generally manage to find ways. We just have to corroborate the original 30’000 USD investment in this case. I mainly focus on three things here: *proof of early adoption I have managed to educate some banks on a few evidences specifically related to crypto markets. For instance with me, an old bitcointalk account can serve as a proof of early adoption. Even an old reddit post from a few years ago where you say how much you despise this Ripple premined scam can prove to be a treasure readily available to show you were early. *story telling Compliance officers like to know when, why and how. They are human being looking for simple answers to simple questions and they don’t want like to be played fool. Telling the truth, even without a proof can do wonders, and even though bluffing might still work because banks don’t fully understand bitcoin yet, it is a risky strategy that is less and less likely to pay off as they are getting more sophisticated by the day. *micro transaction from an old address you control This is the killer feature. Send a $20 worth transaction from an old address to my company wallet and to one of my partner bank’s wallet and you are all set ! This is gold and considered a very solid piece of evidence. You can also do a microtransaction to your own wallet, but banks generally prefer transfer to their own wallet. Patience with them please. they are still learning. *signature message Why do a micro transaction when you can sign a message and avoid potentially tainting your coins ? *ICO millionaire Some clients made their wealth participating in ETH crowdsale or IOTA ICO. They were very easy to deal with obviously and the account opening was very smooth since we could evidence the GENESIS TxHash flow. The miner Not so easy to proof the wealth is legit in that case. Most early miners never took screenshot of the blocks on bitcoin core, nor did they note down the block number of each block they mined. Until the the Slashdot article from August 2010 anyone could mine on his laptop, let his computer run overnight and wake up to a freshly minted block containing 50 bitcoins back in the days. Not many people were structured enough to store and secure these coins, avoid malwares while syncing the blockchain continuously, let alone document the mined blocks in the process. What was 50 BTC worth really for the early miners ? dust of dollars, games and magic cards… Even miners post 2010 are generally difficult to deal with in terms of compliance onboarding. Many pool mining are long dead. Deepbit is down for instance and the founders are MIA. So my strategy to proof mining activity is as follow: *Focusing on IT background whenever possible. An IT background does help a lot to bring some substance to the fact you had the technical ability to operate a mining rig. *Showing mining equipment receipts. If you mined on your own you must have bought the hardware to do so. For instance mining equipment receipts from butterfly lab from 2012-2013 could help document your case. Similarly, high electricity bill from your household on a consistent basis back in the day could help. I have already unlocked a tricky case in the past with such documents when the bank was doubtful. *Wallet.dat files with block mining transactions from 2011 thereafter This obviously is a fantastic piece of evidence for both you and me if you have an old wallet and if you control an address that received original mined blocks, (even if the wallet is now empty). I will make sure compliance officers understand what it means, and as for the early adopter, you can prove your control over these wallet through a microtransaction. With these kind of addresses, I can show on the block explorer the mined block rewards hitting at regular time interval, and I can even spot when difficulty level increased or when halvening process happened. *Poolmining account. Here again I have educated my partner bank to understand that a slush account opened in 2013 or an OnionTip presence was enough to corroborate mining activity. The block explorer then helps me to do the bridge with your current wallet. *Describing your set up and putting it in context In the history of mining we had CPU, GPU, FPG and ASICs mining. I will describe your technical set up and explain why and how your set up was competitive at that time. The corporate entity Remember 2012 when we were all convinced bitcoin would take over the world, and soon everyone would pay his coffee in bitcoin? How naïve we were to think transaction fees would remain low forever. I don’t blame bitcoin cash supporters; I once shared this dream as well. Remember when we thought global adoption was right around the corner and some brick and mortar would soon accept bitcoin transaction as a common mean of payment? Well, some shop actually did accept payment and held. I had a few cases as such of shops holders, who made it to the multi million mark holding and had invoices or receipts to proof the transactions. If you are organized enough to keep a record for these trades and are willing to cooperate for the documentation, you are making your life easy. The digital advertising business is also a big market for the bitcoin industry, and affiliates partner compensated in btc are common. It is good to show an invoice, it is better to show a contract. If you do not have a contract (which is common since all advertising deals are about ticking a check box on the website to accept terms and conditions), there are ways around that. If you are in that case, pm me. The black market Sorry guys, I can’t do much for you officially. Not that I am judging you. I am a libertarian myself. It’s just already very difficult to onboard legit btc adopters, so the black market is a market I cannot afford to consider. My company is regulated so KYC and compliance are key for me if I want to stay in business. Behind each case I push forward I am risking the credibility and reputation I have built over the years. So I am sorry guys I am not risking it to make an extra buck. Your best hope is that crypto will eventually take over the world and you won’t need to cash out anyway. Or go find a Lithuanian bank that is light on compliance and cooperative. The OTC buyer and the libertarian. Generally a very difficult case. If you bought your stack during your journey in Japan 5 years ago to a guy you never met again; or if you accumulated on https://localbitcoins.com/ and kept no record or lost your account, it is going to be difficult. Not impossible but difficult. We will try to build a case with everything else we have, and I may be able to onboard you. However I am risking a lot here so I need to be 100% confident you are legit, before I defend you. Come & see me in Geneva, and we will talk. I will run forensic services like elliptic, chainalysis, or scorechain on an extract of your wallet. If this scan does not raise too many red flags, then maybe we can work together ! If you mixed your coins all along your crypto history, and shredded your seeds because you were paranoid, or if you made your wealth mining professionally monero over the last 3 years but never opened an account at an exchange. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I am not a magician and don’t get me wrong, I love monero, it’s not the point. Cashing out ICOs Private companies or foundations who have ran an ICO generally have a very hard time opening a bank account. The few banks that accept such projects would generally look at 4 criteria: *Seriousness of the project Extensive study of the whitepaper to limit the reputation risk *AML of the onboarding process ICOs 1.0 have no chance basically if a background check of the investors has not been conducted *Structure of the moral entity List of signatories, certificate of incumbency, work contract, premises... *Fiscal conformity Did the company informed the authorities and seek a fiscal ruling.
B. The tax issue I am not a tax specialist, but I can say that this year I have seen it all. Again I am not judging. You made $100m hodling, and still wouldn’t pay your taxes ? Your decision.I personally advise everyone to pay their taxes, but also to be generous, to give to charities. I mean you eventually made it. Good for you. What about you contribute to make the world a better place now? I will stop patronizing you. It’s just my 2cts, and it’s your money.
For the record, I am not into the tax avoidance business, so people come to me with a set up and I see if I can make it work within the legal framework imposed to me. First, stop thinking Switzerland is a “offshore heaven” Swiss banks have made deals with many governments for the exchange of fiscal information. If you are a French citizen, resident in France and want to open an account in a Private Bank in Switzerland to cash out your bitcoins, you will get slaughtered (>60%). There are ways around that, and I could refer you to good tax specialists for fiscal optimization, but I cannot organize it myself. It would be illegal for me. Swiss private banks makes it easy for you to keep a good your relation with your retail bank and continue paying your bills without headaches. They are integrated to SEPA, provide ebanking and credit cards. For information, these are the kind of set up some of my clients came up with. It’s all legal; obviously I do not onboard clients that are not tax compliant. Further disclaimer: I did not contribute myself to these set up. Do not ask me to organize it for you. I won’t. EU tricks Swiss lump sum taxation Foreign nationals resident in Switzerland can be taxed on a lump-sum basis if they are not gainfully employed in our country. Under the lump-sum tax regime, foreign nationals taking residence in Switzerland may choose to pay an expense-based tax instead of ordinary income and wealth tax. Attractive cantons for the lump sum taxation are Zug, Vaud, Valais, Grisons, Lucerne and Berne. To make it short, you will be paying somewhere between 200 and 400k a year and all expenses will be deductible. Switzerland has adopted a very friendly attitude towards crypto currency in general. There is a whole crypto valley in Zug now. 30% of ICOs are operated in Switzerland. The reason is that Switzerland has thrived for centuries on banking secrecy, and today with FATCA and exchange of fiscal info with EU, banking secrecy is dead. Regulators in Switzerland have understood that digital ledger technologies were a way to roll over this competitive advantage for the generations to come. Switzerland does not tax capital gains on crypto profits. The Finma has a very pragmatic approach. They have issued guidance- updated guidelines here. They let the business get organized and operate their analysis on a case per case basis. Only after getting a deep understanding of the market will they issue a global fintech license in 2019. This approach is much more realistic than legislations which try to regulate everything beforehand. Italy new tax exemption. It’s a brand new fiscal exemption. Go to Aoste, get residency and you could be taxed a 100k/year for 10years. Yes, really. Portugal What’s crazy in Europe is the lack of fiscal harmonization. Even if no one in Brussels dares admit it, every other country is doing fiscal dumping. Portugal is such a country and has proved very friendly fiscally speaking. I personally have a hard time trusting Europe. I have witnessed what happened in Greece over the last few years. Some of our ultra high net worth clients got stuck with capital controls. I mean no way you got out of crypto to have your funds confiscated at the next financial crisis! Anyway. FYI Malta Generally speaking, if you get a residence somewhere you have to live there for a certain period of time. Being stuck in Italy is no big deal with Schengen Agreement, but in Malta it is a different story. In Malta, the ordinary residence scheme is more attractive than the HNWI residence scheme. Being an individual, you can hold a residence permit under this scheme and pay zero income tax in Malta in a completely legal way. Monaco Not suitable for French citizens, but for other Ultra High Net worth individual, Monaco is worth considering. You need an account at a local bank as a proof of fortune, and this account generally has to be seeded with at least EUR500k. You also need a proof of residence. I do mean UHNI because if you don’t cash out minimum 30m it’s not interesting. Everything is expensive in Monaco. Real Estate is EUR 50k per square meter. A breakfast at Monte Carlo Bay hotel is 70 EUR. Monaco is sunny but sometimes it feels like a golden jail. Do you really want that for your kids? Dubaï
Set up a company in Dubaï, get your resident card.
Spend one day every 6 month there
Be tax free
US tricks Some Private banks in Geneva do have the license to manage the assets of US persons and U.S citizens. However, do not think it is a way to avoid paying taxes in the US. Opening an account at an authorized Swiss Private banks is literally the same tax-wise as opening an account at Fidelity or at Bank of America in the US. The only difference is that you will avoid all the horror stories. Horror stories are all real by the way. In Switzerland, if you build a decent case and answer all the questions and corroborate your case in depth, you will manage to convince compliance officers beforehand. When the money eventually hits your account, it is actually available and not frozen. The IRS and FATCA require to file FBAR if an offshore account is open. However FBAR is a reporting requirement and does not have taxes related to holding an account outside the US. The taxes would be the same if the account was in the US. However penalties for non compliance with FBAR are very large. The tax liability management is actually performed through the management of the assets ( for exemple by maximizing long term capital gains and minimizing short term gains). The case for Porto Rico. Full disclaimer here. I am not encouraging this. Have not collaborated on such tax avoidance schemes. if you are interested I strongly encourage you to seek a tax advisor and get a legal opinion. I am not responsible for anything written below. I am not going to say much because I am so afraid of uncle Sam that I prefer to humbly pass the hot potato to pwc From here all it takes is a good advisor and some creativity to be tax free on your crypto wealth if you are a US person apparently. Please, please please don’t ask me more. And read the disclaimer again. Trust tricks Generally speaking I do not accept fringe fiscal situation because it puts me in a difficult situation to the banks I work with, and it is already difficult enough to defend a legit crypto case. Trust might be a way to optimize your fiscal situation. Belize. Bahamas. Seychelles. Panama, You name it. At the end of the day, what matters for Swiss Banks are the beneficial owner and the settlor. Get a legal opinion, get it done, and when you eventually knock at a private bank’s door, don’t say it was for fiscal avoidance you stupid ! You will get the door smashed upon you. Be smarter. It will work. My advice is just to have it done by a great tax specialist lawyer, even if it costs you some money, as the entity itself needs to be structured in a professional way. Remember that with trust you are dispossessing yourself off your wealth. Not something to be taken lightly. “Anonymous” cash out. Right. I think I am not going into this topic, neither expose the ways to get it done. Pm me for details. I already feel a bit uncomfortable with all the info I have provided. I am just going to mention many people fear that crypto exchange might become reporting entities soon, and rightly so. This might happen anyday. You have been warned. FYI, this only works for non-US and large cash out. The difference between traders an investors. Danmark, Holland and Germany all make a huge difference if you are a passive investor or if you are a trader. ICO is considered investing for instance and is not taxed, while trading might be considered as income and charged aggressively. I would try my best to protect you and put a focus on your investor profile whenever possible, so you don't have to pay 52% tax if you do not have to :D
C. The cash out itself So you have accumulated patiently a good amount of wealth. For some of us who have been involved in crypto since 2010, it took years. Remember when BTC was stuck at 200$ for months? I personally feel like it was yesterday. There is no way you screw up your wealth by cashing out in a hurry or with low security standards. Here is how the cash out takes should place.
Full cash out or partial cash out? People who have been sitting on crypto for long have grown an emotional and irrational link with their coins. They come to me and say, look, I have 50m in crypto but I would like to cash out 500k only. So first let me tell you that as a wealth manager my advice to you is to take some off the table. Doing a partial cash out is absolutely fine. The market is bullish. We are witnessing a redistribution of wealth at a global scale. Bitcoin is the real #occupywallstreet, and every one will discuss crypto at Xmas eve which will make the market even more supportive beginning 2018, especially with all hedge funds entering the scene. If you want to stay exposed to bitcoin and altcoins, and believe these techs will change the world, it’s just natural you want to keep some coins. In the meantime, if you have lived off pizzas over the last years, and have the means to now buy yourself an nice house and have an account at a private bank, then f***ing do it mate ! Buy physical gold with this account, buy real estate, have some cash at hands. Even though US dollar is worthless to your eyes, it’s good and convenient to have some. Also remember your wife deserves it ! And if you have no wife yet and you are socially awkward like the rest of us, then maybe cashing out partially will help your situation ;) What the Private Banks expect. Joke aside, it is important you understand something. If you come around in Zurich to open a bank account and partially cash out, just don’t expect Private Banks will make an exception for you if you are small. You can’t ask them to facilitate your cash out, buy a 1m apartment with the proceeds of the sale, and not leave anything on your current account. It won’t work. Sadly, under 5m you are considered small in private banking. The bank is ok to let you open an account, provided that your kyc and compliance file are validated, but they will also want you to become a client and leave some money there to invest. This might me despicable, but I am just explaining you their rules. If you want to cash out, you should sell enough to be comfortable and have some left. Also expect the account opening to last at least 3-4 week if everything goes well. You can't just open an account overnight. The cash out logistics. Cashing out 1m USD a day in bitcoin or more is not so hard. Let me just tell you this: Even if you get a Tier 4 account with Kraken and ask Alejandro there to raise your limit over $100k per day, Even if you have a bitfinex account and you are willing to expose your wealth there, Even if you have managed to pass all the crazy due diligence at Bitstamp, The amount should be fractioned to avoid risking your full wealth on exchange and getting slaughtered on the price by trading big quantities. Cashing out involves significant risks at all time. There is a security risk of compromising your keys, a counterparty risk, a fat finger risk. Let it be done by professionals. It is worth every single penny. Most importantly, there is a major difference between trading on an exchange and trading OTC. Even though it’s not publicly disclosed some exchange like Kraken do have OTC desks. Trading on an exchange for a large amount will weight on the prices. Bitcoin is a thin market. In my opinion over 30% of the coins are lost in translation forever. Selling $10m on an exchange in a day can weight on the prices more than you’d think. And if you trade on a exchange, everything is shown on record, and you might wipe out the prices because on exchanges like bitstamp or kraken ultimately your counterparties are retail investors and the market depth is not huge. It is a bit better on Bitfinex. It is way better to trade OTC. Accessing the institutional OTC market is not easy, and that is also the reason why you should ask a regulated financial intermediary if we are talking about huge amounts. Last point, always chose EUR as opposed to USD. EU correspondent banks won’t generally block institutional amounts. However we had the cases of USD funds frozen or delayed by weeks. Most well-known OTC desks are Cumberlandmining (ask for Lucas), Genesis (ask for Martin), Bitcoin Suisse AG (ask for Niklas), circletrade, B2C2, or Altcoinomy (ask for Olivier) Very very large whales can also set up escrow accounts for massive block trades. This world, where blocks over 30k BTC are exchanged between 2 parties would deserve a reddit thread of its own. Crazyness all around. Your options: DIY or going through a regulated financial intermediary. Execution trading is a job in itself. You have to be patient, be careful not to wipe out the order book and place limit orders, monitor the market intraday for spikes or opportunities. At big levels, for a large cash out that may take weeks, these kind of details will save you hundred thousands of dollars. I understand crypto holders are suspicious and may prefer to do it by themselves, but there are regulated entities who now offer the services. Besides, being a crypto millionaire is not a guarantee you will get institutional daily withdrawal limits at exchange. You might, but it will take you another round of KYC with them, and surprisingly this round might be even more aggressive that the ones at Private banks since exchange have gone under intense scrutiny by regulators lately. The fees for cashing out through a regulated financial intermediary to help you with your cash out should be around 1-2% flat on the nominal, not more. And for this price you should get the full package: execution/monitoring of the trades AND onboarding in a private bank. If you are asked more, you are being abused. Of course, you also have the option to do it yourself. It is a way more tedious and risky process. Compliance with the exchange, compliance with the private bank, trading BTC/fiat, monitoring the transfers…You will save some money but it will take you some time and stress. Further, if you approach a private bank directly, it will trigger a series of red flag to the banks. As I said in my previous post, they call a direct approach a “walk-in”. They will be more suspicious than if you were introduced by someone and won’t hesitate to show you high fees and load your portfolio with in-house products that earn more money to the banks than to you. Remember also most banks still do not understand crypto so you will have a lot of explanations to provide and you will have to start form scratch with them! The paradox of crypto millionaires Most of my clients who made their wealth through crypto all took massive amount of risks to end up where they are. However, most of them want their bank account to be managed with a low volatility fixed income capital preservation risk profile. This is a paradox I have a hard time to explain and I think it is mainly due to the fact that most are distrustful towards banks and financial markets in general. Many clients who have sold their crypto also have a cash-out blues in the first few months. This is a classic situation. The emotions involved in hodling for so long, the relief that everything has eventually gone well, the life-changing dynamics, the difficulties to find a new motivation in life…All these elements may trigger a post cash-out depression. It is another paradox of the crypto rich who has every card in his hand to be happy, but often feel a bit sad and lonely. Sometimes, even though it’s not my job, I had to do some psychological support. A lot of clients have also become my friends, because we have the same age and went through the same “ordeal”. First world problem I know… Remember, cashing out is not the end. It’s actually the beginning. Don’t look back, don’t regret. Cash out partially, because it does not make sense to cash out in full, regret it and want back in. relax. The race to cash out crypto billionaire and the concept of late exiter. The Winklevoss brothers are obviously the first of a series. There will be crypto billionaires. Many of them. At a certain level you can have a whole family office working for you to manage your assets and take care of your needs . However, let me tell you it’s is not because you made it so big that you should think you are a genius and know everything better than anyone. You should hire professionals to help you. Managing assets require some education around the investment vehicles and risk management strategies. Sorry guys but with all the respect I have for wallstreebet, AMD and YOLO stock picking, some discipline is necessary. The investors who have made money through crypto are generally early adopters. However I have started to see another profile popping up. They are not early adopters. They are late exiters. It is another way but just as efficient. Last week I met the first crypto millionaire I know who first bough bitcoin over 1000$. 55k invested at the beginning of this year. Late adopter & late exiter is a route that can lead to the million. Last remarks. I know banks, bankers, and FIAT currencies are so last century. I know some of you despise them and would like to have them burn to the ground. With compliance officers taking over the business, I would like to start the fire myself sometimes. I hope this extensive guide has helped some of you. I am around if you need more details. I love my job despite all my frustration towards the banking industry because it makes me meet interesting people on a daily basis. I am a crypto enthusiast myself, and I do think this tech is here to stay and will change the world. Banks will have to adapt big time. Things have started to change already; they understand the threat is real. I can feel the generational gap in Geneva, with all these old bankers who don’t get what’s going on. They glaze at the bitcoin chart on CNBC in disbelief and they start to get it. This bitcoin thing is not a joke. Deep inside, as an early adopter who also intends to be a late exiter, as a libertarian myself, it makes me smile with satisfaction. Cheers. @swisspb on telegram
WazirX is a cryptocurrency exchange that will enable you to Buy, Sell & Trade digital assets like Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Ripple etc in India. It offers a simple yet powerful interface with real-time open order books, charting, trade history, deposit & withdrawals so you can trade and invest in some of the world’s best performing digital assets. Register WazirX exchange Account on website: https://wazirx.com – Click on ‘Sign Up’ at right top corner of page – Enter Your email address – Create login password, tick in box ‘I agree….’ and click on ‘Sign Up’ button – Check Your email and click ‘Verify Email’ to open link then click on ‘Continue’ – Enter Your phone number (Note: choose Your code of country) then click on ‘Send verification code’ – Check Your phone and enter Your phone code then click on ‘Verify’ – Select Your country and click on ‘Complete KYC’ – Follow the instruction to complete KYC After You completed KYC and complete at least 1 trade on Your WazirX account,200 WRX Coins ~ $30 will be distributed into Your Wazirx exchange account – WRX will be listed on Binance exchange
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Spending a year in crypto is like a decade in stock markets. The emotional rollercoaster here is so intense, it filters out mediocre, impatient traders quite fast. I am convinced that trading is an activity that tests and shapes your character without mercy. I think a lot about how it affects my life and personality, and would love to hear your stories, experience and opinions. This is what I have collected so far:
Embrace uncertainty You can never know where your "net worth" will be in 6 months. It can be easily -80% or +800%. Because of this mad volatility, you will learn not to worry about things you cannot control, and will develop this ability much faster than you could in an environment where people get a stroke from a sudden 15% decrease. As long as I have an idea about where the overpriced and underpriced territories are, I am perfectly content with whatever happens to a currency's price in the next 6 months. If I truly believe in it, I hope it gets lower so I can accumulate more. Trying to have control over uncertain things and trying to time the market can easily drown you into depression. Since crypto earnings would potentially change all of our lives here, this leads us to learn how to be relaxed about whatever the future holds generally. With proper risk management, we enable our future, instead of trying to force it.
Stick to your values, stand for something. As you get more and more wealthy, there will be this constant inner fight with your own greed. You have to know what you own, why you own it and remind yourself to your vision from time to time. When there is carnage and bloodbath on the markets, only these values will help you keep your sanity. Holding through months of bear markets of -70-80% will change you forever. This is how true bitcoin believers got rewarded for enduring all the crashes. This is why you don't want to buy into pump&dump schemes, worthless centralized corporate coins with the sole purpose of money grab. This community stands for freedom and privacy. If you own monero, it is not just an "investment", but also a strong message to banks and governments that we have a much much better alternative to what their corrupt system provides. Generally in life, you must have a strong character, and a solid value set to be respected and followed when things get out of hand. You have to be able to say No at the same time when 99% around you go full retard. These price swings will test our entrepreneurial spirit all the way up.
Get your shit together Compared to stock trading, you can burn out even faster here. I saw so many users in other subreddits complaining about becoming millionaires with crypto yet fapping all day and having no purpose to live. Forget the charts for a couple of days. If you watch every tick, you will trade like a dick. Desperately staring at charts all day won't make you a better trader. Focus on your professional career, hobbies, life goals, learn new technologies, languages, reinvest your earnings into other meaningful things. Go out, have fun, build yourself up as a person. Crypto trading made me realize how precious my time is.
Follow the right people You don't have to be exceptionally smart. (great news for me) Even if everything is against you, just keep listening to smart people. When I discovered the crypto space, I had zero idea about cryptography or blockchain. So I invested a lot of time into figuring out who are the participants holding credibility. If you can determine who to listen to and who to ignore, that alone gives you a huge informational advantage, and that is pure social skill and patience. You need to recognize the hidden superintelligent advice behind the troll comment, and the putrid piece of crap shill behind the seemingly eloquent geeky visionaire bragging on a world conference. Analyzing people can be very counterintuitive in real life too.
Be open to new, silly things If you automatically reject crazy ideas, you will likely not waste time analyzing 99% of them just to arrive at the conclusion that they are indeed worthless. But you will also miss out on the 1% that can potentially change your life. I remember being the "fundamental analyst" guy, who was not willing to buy anything that does not have cash flow or isn't a tangible material used in actual production of useful things. Monero does have fundamental value but to quantify it you will not have any textbook to guide you. You have to imagine yourself all the parameters, possible future aggregate transactional value, velocity of money, possible demand for store of value, etc. In the first time in history we have a way to transact totally anonymously within minutes accross the planet without anyone being able to censor those transactions. We have a way to privately store value without the need to trust anyone or having to explain ourselves. But still it takes an extremely open mind and imagination to understand its consequences, and a possible future valuation for such an asset. It takes an open mind to leave behind the "Drug dealers money!" preconception and understand why privacy is not just for criminals. Being motivated by economic incentive to maintain an open mind have got me used to enjoy more aspects of life, I see the world differently since I got involved in crypto.
There are certainly other things that I haven't noticed, I would love to hear about your experience!
Hello Shibes, My name is Dogemanstar. Under a different pseudonym I frequented /Bitcoin since the end of 2011, I have ridden the crazy Bitcoin rollercoaster and I have made both profits and losses, but overall I ended up in the green. I cashed out about half and i invested the other half into different cryptos. To this day I have held XPM, MEC, LTC, WDC, PPC and various what I called wildcard cryptos. I say "to this day" because I have liquidated my entire portfolio and invested into the single cryptocurrency which I believe has a sustainable future : Dogecoin. The world around us is changing, the days we went to record stores to buy our music are gone. The days of taping songs from radio stations were not even experienced by some of us. Now (depending on your preference) we either have the Piratebay, Amazon or iTunes. Blockbuster is gone, buying or renting dvd's in physical stores is something of the past. Now we have Netflix (or, again, The Piratebay). 80 percent of my friends don't even have a TV subscription service anymore. You can order food online, you can buy clothes, with a single click in the digital world you can influence the physical world to make it work for you. It was only a matter of time before people could choose what kind of payment system they wanted to use. In comes crypto. I have held this belief since late 2011 and that is why I invested into this crazy world of "magic internet money" As I said, I was into Bitcoin since the somewhat early days. At the moment I don't hold a single Bitcoin, I'll explain later. After I was 'done' with Bitcoin, I have always had three criteria which I applied before I invested into a specific currency:
As for trasfer speed in my opnion it was necessary to have fast confirmation times because what good is a currency if transactions are slow? Imagine paying for groceries using pennies, it annoys both you, the merchant and the people in line. Speed is key, that is one of the reasons credit cards are used (beside other things of course) for a digital currency transaction speeds are essential for "real world" applications. Adoption was tricky, at the moment the use of crypto (and even Bitcoin) is just starting. It is being brought to the light, out of the dungeons of the Internet. So I hadn't much to go on except market cap, that is why I invested in the coins with the highest market cap as I felt it was some indication of preference or future adoption. Community What good is a currency which isn't backed by it's users? Take for example the Zimbabwean dollar, a currency with unprecedented inflation rates. US Dollar usage was widespread in Zimbabwe, even though the government outlawed it. The Zimbabwean dollar was abandoned because nobody used it, instead the population turned to foreign widely accepted and (generally considered) stable currencies, US Dollars, Pounds and Euro's. After the government realized nobody cared for the ban on using Foreign currency they allowed it's use. Point being is that the success and implementation of a currency can be imposed by a government, but it can be ignored by it's people and it works both ways. If the public decides it will use crypto as legal tender, not a single government can do anything about it. So I searched, joined forums, chatted on IRC for hours on end with both developers and users of different crypto currencies. All had their fair share of believers, users and good developers. Overall I thought it was awesome just to be at the birth of something truly exciting. There was one thing lacking though, true enthusiasm. I got the feeling that between the lines all everyone really cared for was monetary profit, a way to sit and hold and watch their investment grow. I admit, I am no white knight, I daytraded, I hoarded and had sleepless nights watching the charts and I made profits but I realized this is not the point of crypto. The Wall Street-esque feel of Bitcoin nowadays turned me away from it, industrial sized miners dominating the pool, pumping and dumping etcetera the whole thing just feels clinical to me. I missed the excitement surrounding Bitcoin it it's early days. Then I found Dogecoin. I found something that ticked all the right boxes, it's fast, it has good adoption (ATM's being developed 6 weeks after the coins inception, unprecedented) and above all an awesome community. Lurking in this subreddit for the past 6 weeks really opened my eyes, I feel the same enthusiasm as back in the days with Bitcoin, but more. People in here take care of eachother. Of course everyone wants Dogecoin to be a success, and with success comes monetary gains but most in here are in it because it is fun and Dogecoin makes you feel like you are part of something good. So I salute you all. Let us go to the moon, but let us not forget the good nature of (the) Doge and it's community. I'd hate to see potential profit turning us into lone Doges, we run in packs. TL;DR Dogecoin such awesome
https://preview.redd.it/696geqysuo431.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=7c15e3d67e2187c0ce94bd4ffd3d6f072f94394b The price of bitcoin (BTC) hit a 13-month high above $9,300 on Sunday. The leading cryptocurrency by market capitalization rose to $9,381 at 05:55 UTC – the highest price since May 10, 2018, according to CoinDesk’s Bitcoin Price Index. BTC was last seen trading at $9,250 representing 6.4 percent gains on the day. On a month-to-date basis, the cryptocurrency is up 8 percent. More than $19 billion worth of bitcoin has been traded across cryptocurrency exchanges in the last 24 hours, according to Messari data. Meanwhile, major exchanges included in the calculation of Bitwise’s “real” bitcoin trading volume are currently reporting the 24-hour volume figure at $867,697,751. With the price rise, Bitcoin’s dominance rate, or its share of the total cryptocurrency market, has ticked higher to 57.1 percent from lows near 55 percent see on Friday. https://preview.redd.it/sisddllyuo431.jpg?width=788&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcf2570cae627d9708fb04bbf8e91e7b5404a1a2 The bitcoin price rally is boding well for the broader market. At press time, litecoin is up 2.3 percent on a 24-hour basis. Names like ethereum’s ether token, XRP and bitcoin cash are up 4 percent, according to CoinMarketCap. Meanwhile, EOS is the best performing top 10 cryptocurrency of the past 24 hours with 7 .4 percent gains. However, on a seven-day basis, litecoin is leading the top 10 cryptocurrencies with 18.29 percent gains followed by bitcoin, which has appreciated by 17.20 percent. Looking forward, BTC may rise further toward the next major resistance at $10,000, as long-term technical studies are biased bullish. For instance, bitcoin’s 50- and 100-candle moving averages on the three-day chart look set to produce a bullish crossover – a sign of bull market momentum. Back in October 2015, the same cross marked the start of a long-term bull market. Notably, with a move to 13-month highs, the cryptocurrency has retraced nearly 38.2 percent of the sell-off from December 2017 highs to December 2018 lows, as seen in the chart below.
BTC’s sharp rise from $7,500 to levels above $9,300 has invalidated the bearish doji reversal confirmedby last Sunday’s UTC close below $8,000. As a result, the path of least resistance is to the higher side and prices could cross the 38.2 percent Fibonacci retracement hurdle of $9,442. However, a minor pullback to $8,000 could be seen before a break above $9,442, as the bearish divergence of daily trading volumes discussed on Friday is still valid. Further, the widely tracked relative strength index is reporting overbought conditions with an above-70 print on the hourly and 4-hour charts.
The insurance company with the biggest exposure to the 1.2 quadrillion dollar (ie, 1200 TRILLION dollar) derivatives casino is AXA. Yeah, *that* AXA, the company whose CEO is head of the Bilderberg Group, and whose "venture capital" arm bought out Bitcoin development by "investing" in Blockstream.
Henri de Castries is not only the the CEO of insurance giant AXA (he's actually stepping down later this year) - he's also the chairman of the Bilderberg Group - the secretive group which includes most of the major players in the current global debt-backed financial system:
Bitcoin, by having no counterparty risk, threatens to expose this whole fraudulent casino of fantasy accounting on the part of major financial institutions - which is probably why companies like AXA want to control Bitcoin development - so they can artificially suppress the blocksize, and artificially suppress the the bitcoin price.
My guess: The 2.1 quadrillion satoshis (21 million bitcoins x 100 million satoshis per bitcoin) of real money starting to circulate on the Bitcoin network threaten to expose the fact that the 1.2 quadrillion dollars of fantasy fiat circulating in the worldwide derivatives casino are actually worthless. And this is probably the real reason why AXA - the insurance company with the largest derivatives exposure - is trying to control Blockstream, in order to control Bitcoin development, and suppress Bitcoin price.
03-27 10:33 - 'The Fastest and the Safest Crypto-Trading Bot - WolfpackBOT' (self.Bitcoin) by /u/CapablePersonality3 removed from /r/Bitcoin within 46-56min
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The intelligent investors guide to cryptocurrency: Part 2 - FOMO My friend, My enemy. Make fear of missing out, work for you.
Introductions: I'm joskye. A cryptocurrency investor and SDC holder. ... FOMO. Fear of missing out. So I told you about my biggest early success which turned into a mistake. Now I'll tell you of my biggest early mistake which I turned into lots of little successes. Bitcoin. At the time I re-entered cryptocurrency scene I put $6.4k into ETH. The story of what happened there was told in part 1. Well the other thing is I believed a bitcoin breakout was occurring. I watched it unfold right in front of my eyes. Around mid May 2016 when I decided now is the time to get into cryptocurrency I thought; "lets not put all my eggs in one basket. ETH may not go up for whatever reason".
1 Bitcoin was $450 then.
It had been ages since I'd looked into buying cryptocurrency but I was serious. It took me a week to find a decent exchange to buy my ETH and BTC reliably from.
The price of bitcoin went up to $460 in that time.
I transferred my $12.8k fiat into said exchange, eager to buy my ETH and BTC in 50/50 proportions.
The damn transfer took almost 2 weeks to clear.
The price of bitcoin went up to $540 by the time the funds had arrived in the exchange.
I said to myself. "Nah, it's too expensive now. It's not going to go up further".
But it did.
Fear bit me. I placed a buy order at $580. Fear bit me again: I cancelled it immediately.
The price went up over the week.
FUCK. It's $685 now... I have to buy. It'll keep going up! But it's so expensive now I wont put too much in. 1 bitcoin bought.
1 week later on June 16th the price of bitcoin reached $760
It's going to break the $1200 high. I don't know why it's going up. Something about China and Brexit in the cryptopress. I don't fully understand it but I see a trend... It'll keep going.
I buy 7 more bitcoin. I relax and ignore the price for a few days.
I read some vague bitcoin 2016 price predictions going as high as $5000 - No reasons given but it gives me hope and makes me complacent.
June 20th, correction. Now worth $730.
SHIT. No hold. This is just a stall, it'll keep going up!
June 22nd: 1btc = $622.
After several days deliberating I eventually sell cashing some my bitcoin back into fiat at a total $700 loss.
... FOMO. I hope this story demonstrates it nicely. This is the psychology of the uneducated trader. The guy who doesn't live by the minute staring at the charts. The lazy guy who doesn't learn about trader psychology, ignores the mainstream news cycle, has bad press sources and listens to endless noise without filtering it out to find out the real factors that drive price rises and falls. The market is mostly irrational until you realise how rationale it is (i.e. you learn what factors make it tick). Every subsequent lesson is used to address FOMO.
FOMO is a form of greed and when timed right and decisively can lead to great sudden gains.
However when FOMO if timed wrong and indecisively or hesitantly then it can lead to great losses.
Greed is good - it got you here. Greed is bad; it can ruin you. You need enough greed to make the jump, and to make it early and fearlessly. That's how you make the most out of other people's FOMO. ... FOMO can be good... It can be bad I have made 5 significant trades based off FOMO in my early days of trading. 3 of them went bad. 2 of them went good. Lets analyse them: -NAVcoin- -My friend told me about the NAV. I didn't really understand it. I read the website and whitepaper and felt unimpressed. The price was up though so I bought some anyway. I bought close to the peak price at 0.000097btc/NAV, held it a few days before it corrected to 0.000089btc/NAV. I should have sold it immediately.
It fell to 0.00004btc/NAV before I sold some. I'm still a bag holder believing some unlucky soul will someday pump this 'altcoin' to 0.0001btc/NAV at which point I will reduce my position.
To reiterate my disdain for NAV: Their website claims they were the world's first anonymous cryptocurrency at a time when XDN, Monero, Shadowcash, Boolberry and many other anon coins had been around for years. That sort of outright lie should be seen as an immediate red flag and anti-buy signal.
My friend who is pretty good at day trading altoins asked me about this during their second crowd sale when price was 0.00032 btc/AMP which I bought 0.24 btc of ($150 at the time).
Again I didn't really understand the technology or concept. I read the whitepaper, still didn't get it and I wasn't very impressed with what I'd read.
I ignored the fact that the tokens represented IOU's for a to be built product (with no alpha/beta).
I assumed that just because the developer had an association and working relationship with Vitalik Buterin (inventor of Ethereum) that the coin could be a good long term hold.
I was overdiversified at this point and I didn't have time to follow the AMP news cycle. The price eventually halved to 0.00016btc/AMP one day. I read the rumours of a fallout between the lead developer and CEO and instead of ignoring the real and probable possibility of that leading to a company breakdown (narcissists who air their dirty laundry so publicly are not fit to run a company unless it's into the ground).
I decided to stick to hopium and hold assuming a resolution would be reached and the team would keep working forward together.
I should have sold again when I read the transcripts of the arguments between Dor and Greg's skype and realised these guys had the psychology of little children and beyond blind hope I really didn't see a resolution was possible. Perhaps someday that AMP price would recover.
I capitulated and sold the AMP at 0.00004btc/AMP i.e. $30 or net loss of $120.
Can you see the mistakes I made there? All noob errors, assumptions and emotional hopium ignoring my wilful ignorance and lack of underlying belief. Thank god I hadn't bought more and placed FOMO money only in proportion to my belief in the project it was representing i.e. here I spent very little of my total capital pool in cryptocurrency. -XAURUM-
My friend who is really good at pointing out shitcoins during FOMO asked me about this. It billed itself as, "the golden blockchain".
I read the whitepaper and went, "what the fuck, this doesn't make any sense, they talk about exchanging their coin for physical gold but don't explain where they get the gold from or how they can afford it." - It was the worst white paper I've ever read and sounded really scammy.
I buy some anyway thinking it will probably get pumped at some point, and maybe because the team are Eastern European that there is some EE language whitepaper somewhere that better explains how this coin can increase it's gold value over time. Once again I was hooked on hopium.
3 month later it loses 33% it's value and I sell all at a 33% loss. Again thank god I bought 0.15btc worth
I got really lucky with this one.
I liked the idea of an anon coin and got in <24 hours of the announcement their currency would be endorsed and used by Alphabay and Oasis (darknet markets).
I could see the value of a truly anonymous currency in darknet market trading.
I held through the pump to the peak having bought a decent stack at $2 and $4 with ecstasy to see it reach $15 per XMR. This trade combined with my next cancelled out almost every loss I had incurred.
I figured I'd hold this for the long term. I downloaded the monero simplewallet as I heard of issues with their 3rd party wallets and was not happy leaving assets on a exchange if I did not have to.
It took me a 2 days to synchronise the network on first go. I hated using a command line interface and realised that the average DNM user would not use monero to transact with until an integrated GUI was released.
I had second thoughts when I realised that Darknet markets get taken down or 'disappear' (usually as an exit scam with all their customers money) all the time. Silk road may have built bitcoin's fiat base but even it went down after 3 years via the FBI. I resolved to take profit then at around $13 per XMR before the shit hit the proverbial fan.
During this time my XMR node crashed and I had to resync from scratch just to access my funds. From the point of transferring from exchange to wallet and back, my funds had been locked out for almost a week.
I wasn't going to spend 10 XMR to use their rumoured to be buggy on-line wallet either.
I finally sold a bunch at $11 and again at $8.80 not long before the Oasis Darknet market decided to exit scam with a bunch of their customers bitcoin and XMR and crash the price down to $4 again.
In hindsight holding it would have been fine. But going back to lesson 1; always make sure you sell to earn back your principle first; In cryptocurrency 100% plus return should always make you consider selling half your stack.
As the XMR trader sub once stickied: "making money in cryptocurrency is easy. Keeping it is the hard part".
PS XMR has a legitimate future as an anon-transaction settlement system for legitimate enterprises so I am supportive of it.
-Shadowcash- -Once again, I got really lucky. I was in the right place at the right time.
I noticed this one shooting up whilst looking at the charts and decided to buy a bunch. My entry was $0.70 per SDC. It went to $1.30
My only regret was not committing more bitcoin to it with my gut feeling especially when the trend chart was pointing out the obvious (a bloody rocket up in price).
I subsequently read about the Shadowcash project. Learnt about Umbra. Downloaded, used and really liked Umbra and decided that there is real potential for a fully anonymous, double escrow marketplace with private chat client that exists integrated to and is secured by it's own blockchain.
The Umbra client worked like a dream. It synched in <2 hours, transactions were almost instantaenous and the whole thing was very easy to use. It was easy to see how a marketplace platform could be integrated and very easy to see how this could become the de facto marketplace to replace traditional DNM models that existed on centralised servers (and were thus that much more vulnerable).
I bought more SDC (a lot more) at $1.30 and decided to hold and stake it.
I read more about the economic PoS model and SDC's supply dynamics and decided to hold even more.
I am very happy holding SDC to this day. The reasons why I will elucidate in further articles.
When you are in the right place at the right time, commit fully.
As soon as other people say FOMO, it's already too late.
As soon as you feel FOMO lasting more than an hour it's too late.
You can lose BIG with FOMO so if you don't understand what you are buying and why, but merely following a chart then always buy small to minimise potential losses and maximise reasonable safe gains.
If you don't understand something or don't believe in it never blindly hold it after you've bought it regardless of whether you are selling at a loss, or a smaller gain than you desire. Sell those altcoins sooner rather than later to buy altcoins you do understand and believe in and you'll regret it way less further down the line.
There is always opportunity elsewhere or at another time if you are looking or willing to be patient.
... I no longer join FOMO rallies. I've seen them end too badly, suddenly and unless I know the coin well I often time entry too late. Most of the time you will too. Yes you might get lucky but it's better to know when to buy a cryptocurrency coin early and why. It's far better to know what makes a cryptocurrency work; what gives it value for the long term; what makes it worth holding in spite of price corrections.
When Warren Buffett talks about buying something and holding it, never forget he also means buy it at it's intrinsic value or less. Once you've bought anything above it's intrinsic value (i.e. more than what it is truly worth), you are subject to risk of loss and the subsequent fears of loss with panic selling, anxiety, panic buying and missing out on golden opportunities being a consequence.
With this in mind the next lessons will deal with cryptocurrency valuations, price metrics and identifying coins of value, worth holding. We'll eventually talk about crypto strategies that allow you not to worry about screen checking the exchange every minute as well as one's that do. By the end of this I hope you'll know enough to pursue any mix of trading/investor strategy you want with improved success. And again why am I posting this on the Shadowcash subreddit? It is because Shadowcash is the best cryptocurrency investment of 2016 and I believe it will be again by March 2017. ... Disclaimer: I am not responsible for your financial decisions, nor am I advising you take a particular financial position. Rather I am sharing my experiences and hoping you form your own opinions and insights from them. Full disclosure: I have long positions in Ethereum (ETH), Shadowcash (SDC), ICONOMI (ICN), Augur (REP) and Digix (DGD).
Review: Torguard vs Nordvpn vs Private Internet Access vs Vypervpn
This is a long review and I'm not a good writer but a summary is given first. Hopefully you will find the information helpful or at least it might give you some ideas about what you want from your VPN. Summary Overall All 4 vpns performed at roughly the same speed for me. VyperVPN is NOT suitable for torrenting. Vypervpn is aimed at business and their website, goldenfrog, makes a bid deal about respecting copyright AND they keep logs. Fortunately neither Torguard nor PIA (Private Internet Access) nor Nordvpn keep logs or are concerned about copyright. On the plus side vyper vpn was the only vpn I could use to post on 4chan and it has some good features. If you are NOT torrenting I think you would be happy with any of the four reviewed here choosing on whatever criteria matter to you. However if you are torrenting avoid VyperVPN and look at nordvpn, PIA or torguard. Personally I would go for PIA or Torguard as I dislike the lack of internet killswitch in NordVPN. However each VPN has their own features and benefits that you may or may not find useful. Summary by category Speed I found when measuring real data downloaded each vpn was capable of "maxing out" my connection at 15-18 Mbps. If you have faster broadband your results may differ. Logging VyperVPN keeps logs and passes on dmca notices. PIA, Torgard and Nordvpn don't. Desktop Apps Vyper vpn is the best, Torguard and PIA are good. Nordvpn is a bit lacking. Kill switch They all offer internet kill switches apart from Nordvpn which only has the less useful app kill switches. Special types of connection Only PIA doesn't have at least one form of special server connection but the usefulness of these special connections is debatable. Nordvpn, Torguard and Vypervpn offer ddos protected servers ( sometimes it costs more ). That might be useful to online gamers/streamers. Torguard and Nordvpn offer dedicated IP addresses. Linux PIA and Torguard have apps Nordvpn and Vypervpn have openvpn config files. Android apps Nordvpns app was annoying to use. The others worked well. Extra features vary but you may not need any of these extras features. Payment methods Torguard and PIA have lots of ways to pay. Only Vypervpn doesn't currently accept bitcoin payment. Cost Vypervpn is the most expensive and PIA had the cheapest overall deal (at the time of writing). Abuse Subjectively Vypervpn was least likely to banned from a website. Torguard and nordvpn the most likely. NOTE: The vpns WILL change since this review ( early August 2016 ). Features will be added and prices will change. If something is important check the vpn website before you buy. I strongly recommend you take at least a month trial before you commit to a longer term cheaper deal.
Speed Measuring "maximum speed" is very difficult if you don't have very fast broadband. Firstly Speedtest.net and other "speed testing websites" were in my opinion useless. (Changing server on speedtest.net would get vastly different results with 1Mbps becoming 20Mbps at a different server. One server measured my vpn speed as double than of my maximum non-vpn speed - surely something wrong.) I decided in order to measure consistent and reliable speed I would take rar files from my seedbox and upload them to megafileupload (I found megafileupload to be the fastest filehoster offering remote upload. Downloading from megafileupload was faster than using ftp direct from my seedbox). My broadband can download roughly about 45-55GB over a 6 and half hour night-time window. This equates to 15-18 Mbps. Here are the results I got in Gigabytes
33.2*1 44.7 44.8 46.6
45.2 46.1 47.2 48.6 53.0
45.1 46.5 47.70 50.2 50.6 56.30
45.9 48.6 49.5 52.5 53.3 ( These figures are real data downloaded in GB over a 6.5 hour night NOT total data used by vpn - medium values are in bold) (*1 I would ignore the lone poor result that Nordvpn got. My broadband and Filehoster are far from perfect. I had these vpns for 2 months and before I got very strict about time and measurement and Nordvpn performed as well as the others.) Overall, allowing for a margin of error with both my internet and my filehoster I would call it a draw in practical terms. ( Note: You may get different results if you have either faster broadband or you are torrenting. I used the filehoster download method to get a comparable result between vpns. However my traffic was all download and had a few connections. Torrenting can involve hundered of connections of both downloading and uploading traffic. ) Logging Here is what https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-comparison-chart/ has to say about them Short version First page of the long version Here are interesting and relevant parts of their terms and conditions: https://www.goldenfrog.com/privacy
Each time a user connects to VyprVPN, we retain the following data for 30 days: the user's source IP address, the VyprVPN IP address used by the user, connection start and stop time and total number of bytes used.
Golden Frog takes copyright and other intellectual property rights very seriously. It is Golden Frog's policy to: Expeditiously block access to or remove content that it believes in good faith may contain material that infringes the copyrights of third parties and Remove and discontinue service to repeat offenders.
NordVPN does not monitor, store or record logs for any VPN user. We do not store connection time stamps, used bandwidth, traffic logs, IP addresses.
One user on vpnreview said they were issued with dmca notices when torrenting with vypervpn. I find this believable. Windows Desktop Apps. They all have the usual "windows start at start up", A choice of UDP or TCP packets and DNS leak protection options.
Vyper vpn - has automatically connect over untrusted wifi feature and if you pay extra you can get a NAT firewall.
Nordvpn - lacks any extras of note.
PIA - has "PIA mace" - blocks ads, trackers and malware although all this is available with browser add ons. Ipv6 leak protection and port forwarding. One irritation about PIA's app was that it was NOT digitally signed. I can't understand why they would not digitally sign their desktops apps.
Torguard - offers ipv6 leak protection, block outside dns and prevent webRTC leak options. It offers a proxy option and the option to execute scripts "before connect", "after connect" and "after disconnect" and has a high dpi scaling option.
The truth is a lot of these features can seem bewildering but won't really matter to a lot of people. Kill switch - ( A kill switch is the apps important ability to stop either your entire internet or a selection of apps if the vpn disconnects. This prevents you accidentally torrenting/looking at naked people or whatever over a non vpn protected connection)
Vyper - internet kill switch only
PIA - internet kill switch only
Torguard - both internet kill and application kill switches.
I found PIA and Vypervpn internet kill switches easier to implement than torguards. (*2 Application killswtiches , which kill applications the same way as you would in task manager, are not as good as internet kill switches as one temporary disconnect can mean your torrent client/steam/download manager is killed and not coming back until you restart it manually. so Nordvpn loses here. Nordvpn lost for this guy too. ) Special Types of connection.
Vyper vpn offers chamleon connection which it claims bypasses efforts to detect vpn usage - this could be useful when trying to watch tv streaming in foreign countries and they claim it can help get you past censorship like in places like china.
Nordvpn offer DoubleVPN - your connection connects to one vpn server THEN another vpn server and then out to the internet. A fast streaming server - for watching television. Tor over vpn - Which I think connects from Vpn to tor then out to the internet. They also offer dedicated ip addresses for a fee if you "contact support".
Torguard offer stealth servers that they claim can get past "censorship, firewalls and Deep Packet Inspection" . They also offer dedicated IP address for $8 a month. Torguard also offers a 10Gbit Premium network for $20 a month although you shouldn't need that for a home connection.
PIA doesn't offer any type of special connection
It should be pointed out that more features does not mean better. For instance I could stream 1080p video with all the vpns making special streaming servers redundant. Double vpn is of questionable added value compared to other features. Tor over vpn might mean nordvpn could possibly see what you are putting into tor whilst just using tor alone would prevent that ( or you could use tor in a Virtual machine after connecting to a vpn on you main host machine). DDos protection. Probably only of interest to some online gamers / video streamers.
VyprVPN Basic 2 - VyprVPN Pro 3 - VyprVPN Premier 5
( If you require a whole house hold connected look into the router configuration options ) Linux Torguard and PIA have dedicated apps and openvpn config files while nordvpn and vypervpn have only openvpn config files. The apps are easier and arguably have better features. Android apps Nordvpn was poor requiring regular uninstall and reinstalls . Nordvpn blame a fault in android but all the other apps "just worked" on the same phone. Nordvpn and torguard don't have internet kill switches on their android apps. Vyper vpn has optional "trusted wifi" and optional malicious site blocking whilst pia has optional ad block, tracker blocking and malware blocking. Nordvpn offers it's dedicated streaming servers on their android client which would possibly be useful to tablet owners - although regular vpn servers were fast enough when I tried. If you use tethering here is a side note on tethering and vpns: Tethering and using the android app was possible with all vpns except for torguard where tethered traffic did not get through when the android app was connected. With the remaining vpns if you use both the andoird phone app and you tether at the same time your tethered traffic is NOT protected by the android vpn ( ie You tethered traffic is treated as separate non vpn protected traffic - Fortunately all four vpns offer protection for more than one device so you can have both phone and tethered traffic protected ) . Payment PIA and Torguard have a good range of payment options. They all accept paypal. They all accept bitcoin except for Vypervpn. Side note: I did experience payment problems with nordvpn. My second payment didn't seem to register and took days of back and forth with support to start working. Cancelling payment early bought a premature end to the service. I missed over a week of paid for service in the second month. However in fairness it's doubtful these would be an issue if you were a regular subscriber. Cost NOTE deals/offers are often available especially for long term subscriptions. However I would highly recommend taking out a one month subscription first to "see how things go" before taking out any cheaper long term subscription. PIA
1 month - $ 7 6 months - $ 36 ( $6 a month ) 1 Year - $ 40 ( $3.33 a month )
1 month - $ 10 3 months - $ 20 ( $6.66 a month ) 6 months - $ 30 ( $5 a month ) 1 year - $ 60 ( $5 a month )
1 month basic - $ 10 1 month pro - $ 15 1 month premier- $ 20 1 Year basic - $ 80 ( $6.66 a month ) 1 Year pro - $ 100 ( $8.33 a month ) 1 Year premier- $ 120 ( $10 a month )
as you can see PIA has the cheapest deal and Vypervpn is the most expensive. ( prices accurate as of 1st august 2016 - prices ending in 0.99 or 0.95 are rounded up to the nearest whole number for ease of readability) Abuse Unfortunately all sorts of people abuse vpns for a variety of purposes. This means you may have to fill out captchas to gain access to a website ( especially cloudflare protected websites ) and google might warn you about "suspicious traffic" coming from your pc ( what they mean is your IP ). It's difficult to accurately produce an overall picture so the following is a mostly subjective assesment. I would say Vypervpn, which has it's own servers was the least likely to be blocked. I could even post on 4chan with vypervpn, the others were all autoblocked. Second based on limited experience was probably PIA ( which also has it's own servers ) - although some people on the PIA forum might disagree . Nordvpn and torguard who share a lot of the same server hosting ( redstation, iomart, dedicated server hosting ) were probably the worst. In fairness I've gone months without any problems on torguard and then had to reconnect or fill out captchas four or five times in a couple of days. You mileage will vary. Overall
Vyper vpn is not suitable if you torrent. It's apps are good, easy to use and have some good features but it's expensive, keeps logs and has no linux client ( it does have openvpn config files). Vypervpn was the least likely to be blocked by a website for "abuse".
Nordvpn scores well on thatoneprivacysite.net but a lot feels unfinnished. The android app can be a pain. The desktoip app has only app kill switches. There's no linux client ( it does have openvpn config files). It does offer novel special servers but apart from anti ddos for gamers/streamers I would question the usefulness of these servers.
Torguard may not have the slickest vpn software but they do specifically cater for torrenting ( tor in the name meaning torrenting ). It was generally no fuss dealing with them or their app. My biggest gripe was the internet killswitch was a bit difficult to setup.
Pia ticks all the boxes. It's suitable for torrenting has a good android and desktop app. It's the cheapest per month if you sign up for a year. I didn't like the lack of a digitally signature on their app and there are no frills ( ddos proection, anti-vpn circumvention) but it is cheap and functional.
Overall the most important thing I can emphasis is Try your vpn for a month or two before signing up for a discount deal. Which vpn suits you best would come down to which features matter to you. For most people speed, logging, price and perhaps internet kill switch would be the biggest considerations. If you are torrenting Vypervpn is a NO. I personally don't like the lack of internet killswitch (app only killswtich) in Nordvpn but the cheap ddos protection might be good for gamers. For me it would be between torguard and PIA. I think between those it would be as much personal taste as anything else. Please note: This review was correct to the best of my ability as of early August 2016. Vpn providers are always trying to add features and improve service so it's worth checking things out for yourself. Thanks.
FAQs - All Frequently Asked Questions Posted and Updated Here Q: I have lost massive sums holding various cryptocurrencies since leading coins such as Ethereum have fallen -88% peak-to-trough so far in 2018 and it looks as if it will fall further given the overpriced nature of Ethereum. Vitalik Buterin, the creator of Ethereum said himself that the cryptospace is way too overvalued. That said, why do I want my money tied up on your platform for 9 months? What are the advantages? How much risk am I taking? A: With Hansecoin, multiple investors will be able to own a piece of the capital gain potential and yield of real estate, some land, an apartment, or an entire apartment complex. The asset provides a floor to the price and increases stability versus speculative tokens. We are building out the world's first tokenisation platform that will be compliant with regulations. The first project Use Case when secured may deliver underlying yields of 7 to 11.4% or higher, potential capital gains, and provide bonuses and access to future project tokens at an attractive discount versus those joining after the Vesting Period. There is a revolutionary future in its application across multiple asset classes. Notably, this tokenisation approach may become a template for asset backed token projects. With proof of concept at hand and construction started, the project shall be scaled up as several additional hard asset projects are in the queue and the platform can be white labelled. Our platform offers a replacement tool for the transaction-cost-inefficient closed-end fund structures or venture capital transactions while remaining small, solid, compact and in full regulatory compliance. Reduced Risk: We are immune to the direction of cryptospace. Even if Ethereum were to go to zero, our token would still be valid and contractually binding. In light of the steep losses in Ethereum and other coins, the participant can stop the hemorrhaging by locking in their cryptocurrencies at a fixed rate in euros for the next 9 months while taking comfort in knowing the above benefits apply, ie, yields, capital gains, bonuses, future project access at a discount, etc. Further, the potential participation in prime residential real estate located a brief commute of 15 minutes from the city center in Tallinn, Estonia carries low risk given the history of otherwise equivalent, yet in terms of quality, design and attractiveness, inferior real estate projects launched in the neighbourhood which still sold out ahead of schedule. Indeed, the demographics of families in formation together with Estonia leading the EU in economic growth is a powerful combination contributing to the breakneck speeds of development in Tallinn. Estonia has continuously the highest average GDP in the EU (if you compare the current members from 1994 to 2018) and thus is the EU’s fastest growing country. Estonia has been billed as the world’s leading digital nation given its pioneer status of its digital ID card program, the spread of free and ultra high speed WiFi across the country, being the pond from where Skype and Pipedrive sprung, and more. Today, its welcoming position on blockchain technologies, equivalent to that of Switzerland, as well as its e-Residency program is well known. e-Residency enables businesses to transact goods and services regardless of geographic location with the digital signature capacity known from the ID card program. Estonia’s regulators are sincerely collaborative, open for discussion, and evidently working with substantial commitment to create a fair system of regulation, monitoring and enforcement of the current legislation. They are comparatively solution driven so as to remain welcoming to the blockchain community. This explains why Estonia has the highest number of ICOs launched per capita and is ranked #5 worldwide. From the CEO of CoinMetro, Kevin Murcko: “Although I get approached quite often to advise on ICO projects I rarely bite. Most, while they may be great 'back of napkin ideas' they usually lack substance and their teams, while sometimes quite elaborate, lack the drive, hunger, and experience to take a great idea and turn it into a great business. HanseCoin is different. The company focuses on a very specific use case for tokenization, the Asset-Backed Token, and it puts it to the test. Not only does it provide a hedge against crypto volatility but it puts that money toward the creation of a regulator-approved platform for tokenizing any hard asset. As a member of the Supervisory Board, I helped design the tokenization structure and I believe there is a revolutionary future in its application across multiple asset classes. As As CEO of CoinMetro is it my job to ensure that we are constantly on the lookout for ways to gain market share and add value to not only our platform but the whole of the crypto ecosystem ... Essentially we are talking about an extension of the ICOexpress, call it a 'module', one of many in the works.” Q: How are you compliant? Many ICOs fail to be even minimally compliant. A: First, this is not a typical ICO but this structure represents the next evolutionary stage in asset financing in the cryptospace. We are one of if not the world’s first actual asset backed token (ABT) ICO backed by real estate. Together with our counsel and our partners from Coin Metro, we have stayed in lock-step with the regulators here in Estonia to ensure that regardless of future regulatory decisions made, due to the versatility of the project structure, it will remain compliant without that adversely affecting the business. Our token remains a utility token as demonstrated by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) as it is neither a security, a debenture, nor a money market instrument. Still, we are prepared to issue a security token in the future should it become a suitable option and make sense to our expansion. Albeit that from our discussion with the relevant authorities it seems unlikely today Estonia may well pass legislation in this regard. Most importantly, leading companies are connected to our platform and its first project: we have Capital Mill, a leading developer and asset manager, as the real estate project manager, Uusmaa Kinnisvarabüro, the oldest and largest brokerage firm in Estonia as the residential sales agent, SWECO Projekt as the engineering company, 1Partner, a leading valuation company, as our appraiser, Telora AS as our supervisor, Studiomark as our architectural firm, and leading Estonian construction firms allowing the project to be built on time and in suitable quality for the residential clients. Q: Is VPAT compliant? Does VPAT obey regulation? What about the other tokens PPT and VBT? A: VPAT is an island, disconnected, and not tradable. Is it non-transferrable thus not a security. VPAT is heavily vetted and all VPAT holders are registered via AML/KYC with CoinMetro. Should our Issuing Company decide to issue another token (PPT, etc), that token may become tradeable and subject to regulatory law at that point. There is an inherent difference and segregation of the VPAT from the potential PPT or VBT tokens. At the end of 9 months, the VPATs are burned, swapped, or extended and only then are PPTs issued. VPAT holders get various bonuses and preferred issuance of PPTs. The VPAT is a centralised virtual token which results in a receipt issued to the VPAT participants (like a voucher). It is not an Ethereum based ERC distributed token unlike the PPT which may become subject to the legal, technical and regulatory environment. As always, we will comply with any future legal, technical, and regulatory law set forth. Q: What are the advantages of your platform? A: Our platform offers a replacement tool for a variety of transaction cost inefficient transaction structures. The unwieldy closed-end funds of yesteryear simply front load developments with heavy hand costs for management and distribution. They typically start at around 10 million euros. Friends & family and crowd funding asset capital raises are typically limited to 1.5 – to at best 2 ¼ million euros. Our platform enables a far more efficient and less costly way for anyone who wishes to tokenise a project and raise capital between 1.5 and 10 million euros for their hard asset project, including but not limited to real estate. Blockchain simplifies and facilitates transactions by removing redundant layers. Q: Future plans to expand? A: An asset backed tokenisation does not end with standard real estate. This can also be done with other associated hard assets such as factories which include identifiable, traceable and productive machinery and equipment. Indeed, the founders and their partners are themselves invested in industrial assets, farming and agritech. We believe that such capital intensive segments are ideal candidates for subsequent, larger asset backed tokenisation capital raises when the concept with its technology and documentation is proven. Eventually, HanseCoin, subject to project success, markets and regulation, may even become an issuing house with an investment advisory license. We will also enable others to white label our product since a number of projects have expressed deep interest. Indeed, as stated in the above article, a number of notable voices in the blockchain space such as Multicoin Capital partner Kyle Samani have said, "Using blockchains, you can securitize any asset for 1/100th the cost.” According to Prof. Stephen McKeon of the University of Oregon, "We will undoubtedly see tokenized real estate securities in 2018." An analyst at Apex Token Fund went on to explain, "A new level of liquidity is created when tokenizing traditional assets. This liquidity makes it faster and easier to rebalance a portfolio as the market changes." Q: Please explain unpaid taxes to the Estonian government as raised here: https://www.reddit.com/CoinMetro/comments/9lyjie/comment/e7g8ws6 A: First, Tiskre Residentsid paid its October land taxes. The company had EUR 3,407.31 land tax to pay which EMTA demands on Oct 1, and we had scheduled to pay them alongside TSD declaration by Oct 10. Notably, we paid it today ahead of time. There is no tax debt and we would expect this to be reflected with the usual delay at sources such as ‘Inforegister’. Second, Reval Grundwert is a family venture which arranges services to group entities including concept and implementation design, engineering and supervision, planning, family investment. A previous accountant miscalculated and misrepresented two smaller tax filings for which she taken to account and court. The restatement and reconciliation is underway with EMTA. Q: How do you securitize the asset? Is it asset backed at the beginning? A: The VPAT token is issued and provides a receipt as noted in the info memo. Funds are employed for the project platform infrastructure/software development and to secure the use case. The owners contribute the land into the asset company at a EUR 459,810 or a 15.4% discount to appraised market value to effectively sponsor the platform development for the Use Case even ahead of the full raise and the potential PPT issuance. The externally appraised value only reflects a sale as is: no potential, no expected value increases, it is considered conservative. Initially, the Issuer provides a deposit to the Asset Company owners in lieu of the irrevocable undertaking to, in the future, enter into the contracts. The deposit in this instance covers 90% of the fixed asset price. All-in the relevant discount to fair market value is thus 23.8% which should be considered a substantial buffer. From the closing of the hard floor raise through the VPAT, the Issuer by securing itself with the future documentation in escrow, irrevocable undertakings locked in, and a pledge over the asset company's shares, is collateralised throughout its infrastructure development phase. Even the VPAT is an asset backed token. Note, in the unlikely event that the tokenisation were to fail with no regulatorily compliant tokenisation at hand or the Issuer to fail in its development, the Issuer would accelerate the share pledge against the Asset Company. The asset could be sold and even a fire sale should suffice to cover the Issuer's relevant risk exposure, a restructuring, rescission, or new development in light of the aformentioned large discount. In case of questions please do not hesitate to ask. Q: How long do actual building developments take? [USE CASE] A: In a simplified form and besides weather conditions etc., individual buildings and their build out time depend on the building types of which there are 2 in sector 1 (one apartment, one row house), another one in sector 2 (simpler row houses) and again two types in sector 3 (apartment buildings) plus a kindergarten on the plot between 2 and 3. Some of them such as in sector 1 individually take between 6 and 7 months to build core and shell, and subject to the client package requirements (three pre-defined), the interior furnishing and fittings takes between 1 and 1.5 months. The row houses in sector 2 can be erected within 5-6 months, then interiors and the furnishing as above plus landscaping (seasonal). The affordable housing in sector 3 could be built in the same time frame for the simpler apartment buildings and about 11 months for a grouping of three which are best erected as an ensemble. A time schedule has been defined by the accredited, experienced external project management firm with owners, engineers, architects, interior architects and reputable construction companies which shows the targeted build out rhythm with overlapping and parallel build-outs. You can find this information in the project model section p.30 onwards. If you have specific questions do not hesitate to contact us and we shall be glad to go through this in applicable detail with you. If you look at the plots and the drone videos listed for the asset company you can see that infrastructure (road, electricity, gas, water, sewage and street lighting) has been built out already alongside sector 3 and 2. Key information and extensive descriptions are also at hand in the info memo. Q: Are all incoming ETH converted to EUR immediately? A: Yes, though subject to market conditions. For example, the time it took to get sufficient confirmations was considerably longer in December 2017 when the crypto market was spiking. Until our minimum target of 2.281671m EUR is received, the deposit required to secure the projects initial use case, all incoming ETH is converted to EUR. Once this amount is surpassed, Hansecoin reserves the right to hold qualities of ETH as it sees fit based in its internal risk management policies. Q: What happens if the soft cap for your asset raise is not met? A: I presume you are referring to the hard floor of EUR 3.275 M as a fall-back rather than the soft or target cap. Were that hard floor fail to be reached, the software and platform infrastructure development would have to be carried on by HanseCoin preferably with its community in parallel to progressing with the road map, however, after an extension window of e.g. another 10, 15 or even 30 days were to run out before reaching the hard floor, and if no restructuring of the agreements with the asset owners could be agreed upon (deposit levels, timing), the development would have to carry on without securing the use case. The latter would remain an obligation of the owners to develop without HanseCoin. In turn, in such an unlikely event, HanseCoin would have to secure another Use Case for which it has two more assets at hand in the same attractive area, one in a comparable development stage and one at an earlier stage. Both would allow for collateralisation and lower deposit levels so that a replacement would be a suitable option. As stated in the info memo if less (as in not enough to entertain any of the other options) is raised until a future PPT issuance on the basis of the Hansecoin platform, the VPAT may have to be rescinded. Notably, the aforementioned time frame and cascade of options should, from our perspective, allow HanseCoin sufficient capacity to attain sufficient commitment from VPAT partners and progress with the Asset Company on mutually agreeable terms. Q: What if you can't get approved to go on with the development, or when the approval is getting delayed an unreasonable (>1y?) amount of time? A: The risk of development of the tokenisation to become regulatorily compliant is mitigated as follows: HanseCoin will file alongside its efforts to create the PPTs, its application to attain an investment firm license in Estonia allowing it to act as fund manager. This puts it on the safe side if considerations of certain tokens as securities were to become effective. The board and supervisory board of HanseCoin assisted by counsel and auditors will take all necessary steps and employ their professional experience to meet the requirements and become licensed in the defined regulatory process. As indicated in the roadmap, CoinMetro as an exchange requires substantially more comprehensive licensing for a variety of their additional services to be rendered in the future and is seeking theirs with a view to having them in place by end of Q2 2019. If the technical development of the tokenisation were to be delayed beyond the date of regulatory compliance, HanseCoin with the VPAT has the option to seek an extension to complete whatever technical matters would have to be resolved, albeit that the economic interest at hand should mitigate that. HanseCoin is keen to issue, list, and expand their tokenisation platform approach to a wide audience of potential participants and process a variety of underlying hard assets, as only then it is successful. The interest of HanseCoin's founders and team are aligned with the VPAT holders. We will push the development with determination and daily grind. As such we believe that a delay as you indicated beyond a month or even three months over the Vesting Period whilst technically possible is highly unlikely. Q: What can HanseCoin offer me that I already do not have access to? I can already directly invest in property or buy equity in residental property via crowdfunding websites etc. What I cannot do as a U.K. citizen is easily invest in overseas property, does HanseCoin fix that problem? In addition will HanseCoin give people in emerging markets easy access to say, European and American property? What kind of restrictions might I face if , as a U.K. citizen, I wanted to buy an ABT for a U.S. property? A: You can own a piece of real estate in any jurisdiction via our platform, ie, fractional ownership. As we onboard new projects, some will be European. The US comes with certain restrictions that may make onboarding US based projects an issue. At this time, the projects of interest are non-US. We will be sure we are compliant with any projects we approve. Re crowd funding, on our home page at Hansecoin.com, scroll down and read: Let’s talk about The Gap. Q: Can I own Hansecoin if I am a US resident? A: As referred to in the disclaimers of the info memo and the webpage, HanseCoin with its ongoing private sale and the upcoming public sale in principle is currently not offered to participants who are U.S. residents as regulation so implies and we are not offering securities at this time. Without providing legal advice, a private pre-sale may e.g. allow up to 35 non-accredited investors to participate under certain limitations and exemptions under rule 506 (b), however it may have little bearing on us as the private (pre-)sale of Hansecoin VPAT's would likely be considered a form of general solicitation in the U.S. Thus, in consideration of rule 506 (c) only accredited investors, i.e. those who can verify that they are, may have a path to participate in the private (pre-) sale. May we suggest to consider this with counsel and message us directly so that we can review the matter, in case you are an interested accredited investor. We obviously value your interest and shall be glad to continue the dialogue. It is not unlikely with upcoming regulation in Estonia and the EU as well as HanseCoin progressing to become a regulated investment firm in the near future that future issues including a potential mastercoin could be offered also in the U.S. We certainly would be glad if market rules were to allow truly global coverage. NEW FAQS FOR RON TO POST ON WEBSITE: Q: Did I understand correctly, that HanseCoin is a overarching platform for more asset backed token projects? That token PPT token itself is not limited to the current real estate (RE) you are developing? If so, what happens if let's say, the current RE is finished and you start another project, will there then the same process as now, but with a PPT2? A: HanseCoin is an overarching platform and not limited to one project, albeit that the first project contributed at a significant discount to the platform to support its launch carries itself and the platform build-out. HanseCoin's goal is to efficiently onboard a variety of projects which fit the 'Gap' range for development capital, i.e. small/mid cap project financings for hard assets. We have three projects in the short term pipeline which shall be launched in stages over the next months. The structuring employed in the initial project can, as per current review be rolled out in more than a dozen, potentially more jurisdictions of the current EU-27. Variations of the structure used by HanseCoin render it sufficiently resilient to over time include more hard assets including factory machinery and equipment as well as segments such as rolling stock. However, we start with something small, solid and compact in real estate development where platform and participants in its onboarded project(s) can capitalise on sufficient potential to reap liquidity premiums and reduce transaction cost through tokenisation. Q: Can I draw a similarity to Coin Metro’s (CM's) ICO express here: Both HanseCoin and ICO Express to onboard external projects? Now you guys lead the real estate (RE) development yourself, but maybe the next project is developed by an external team but uses your platform for tokenization? A: I would say that we will work closely with CM's on their ICO Express, as there is no need to reinvent the wheel and we believe that they are in the process of setting up an excellent platform. Technically, I would consider us the Asset Financing Module associated with/connected to their platform. Given our understanding of RE in specific and asset financing in general the intention is to process a series of projects and develop the capacity of HanseCoin to assess, validate, wherever needed structure and adapt/improve underlying projects with strong project financing parties (project managers, engineers, architects, banks, brokers, supervisors, construction companies) etc. - we facilitate the RE development or third party projects employing HanseCoin as the project tokenisation platform. In other asset finance segments, such as factory and machinery, the industries we can work with are widely varied, as Chris just stated, this can be biotech as well as manufacturing, the key is the underlying asset. For retail solutions the logistics solutions connecting e-commerce and highstreet require substantial investments in hardware, data processing capacity and software. Whilst the line there blurs between pure hard assets and its steering/process technology, the physically distributed logistics aspect is intriguing and we believe we can in the future benefit from tokenisation. Q: I'm interested in finding out more re contributing to the private sale (amount of funds being raised, minimum contribution size, etc). A: Pursuant to ongoing discussions with a variety of interested parties including family offices across Germany, Austria and Scandinavia committing to certain amounts we have created a sliding incentive scale for those entering the Private Sale: During the current phase up till the hard floor for the platform build-out we offer small, yet attractive discounts to early bird participants, whereas larger ticket sizes obtain higher discounts. Parties committing participations of EUR 50,000k receive a discount (as a token amount bonus) of 2.25%, EUR 100,000 equates 2.5% discount/bonus, EUR 200,000 results in 3% discount/bonus and tickets of EUR 500 k and above receive a 4% discount/ bonus. For those followers here on Telegram the ticket sizes can be amended but discounts/bonus tokens of 1% kick in starting at EUR 10,000 (equivalent in ETH). For the sake of good order, recently we have done one brief flash sale to reward our hardcore followers, tech contributors and early birds at a significant one time only 5% discount/bonus. We do not envisage it to be repeated. As the token vesting period ends after latest 9 months and a tradable token is then issued even the lowest rung of discounts is slightly better than many peer products and approaches, certainly better than parking it in money market products. For small to medium size participants, generally, parking liquidity in attractive vehicles with underlying real estate and hard assets in Europe is not such a bad idea at this time. The tokens are available at short notice. If this is of interest to you please advise which volumes in the above brackets you wish to pursue and we shall open the Private Sale to you. Q: How does HanseCoin compare to other companies attempting to issue asset backed tokens? Aren’t such tokens securities? A: Hansecoin has a unique approach in that it has achieved regulatory compliance even with token issuance. Have a look at the Whitepaper. Normally, tokens of this nature will be regulated as securities. So for HanseCoin to stay compliant, we have a regulatorily compliant token (VPAT) for the platform which is already asset backed. It is non-negotiable, non-transferrable, and non-tradeable thus is not a security token. HanseCoin will later issue tokenized securities known as PPTs upon being regulated as an investment firm in lock-step with what EU / Estonian regulators decide. As noted, Hansecoin is live already. Its original token, the VPAT, is already asset backed and called an ABT. Due to substantial demand from private equity we are in a private sale at the moment. If and when suitable a public sale may be announced. So, no more weeks of waiting as with so many others. If you are interested to enter into the private sale please register and let us know. [my note: Smartlands has launched their mastercoin which should be a security since it is tradeable but not issuing tokenized securities as of yet.] Q: How can HanseCoin claim to have first mover advantage compared to, say, Smartlands, when HanseCoin hasn't even finished its capital raise or developed its platform? If my understanding is correct, Smartlands completed their token sale last year and have already developed their core platform Also, I'm finding the whitepaper diifficult to digest. It’s very wordy. I'm sure the key points could be presented more succinctly. A: For the sake of good order, Smartlands has placed its token but is not asset backed from the begininng. By the way, it has lost -24.8% from its peak 4 days ago, though through its excellent PR, I believe it is the only coin that has outperformed bitcoin this year, which attests to the power of the asset backed token. That said, Smartlands does not have any live project. HanseCoin has not made such claims but is the first regulated asset backed token in that it has the underlying asset pledged to it in proportion to the funds raised, and one live project plus three which its shareholders have either secured or control over. The issuance of the HanseCoin PPT token is solely deferred due to and dependent on the current regulation. In order to become independent from that, HanseCoin will file to become a regulated investment adviser in December so that by February it can issue securities and thus tokenised securities no matter what ambiguity may exist then for other token approaches. In the meantime, those who are holding HanseCoin VPAT tokens whose value is not pegged to any cryptocurrency but to hard assets sidestepped the recent huge drop seen in bitcoin and most all other cryptocurrencies. The average cryptocurrency has now lost over 90% of its value in 2018. Meanwhile, the value of the VPAT is pegged to the euro and the underlying asset. Besides blockchain related software improvements, the current platform development is predominantly geared to the expansion into 17 EU jurisdictions and related systems compatibility, database design, and applicable interfaces, compliance process designs, linkage with exchanges, as well as research and development into future tokenisation components. As to the whitepaper, based on requirements of the EFSA (the Estonian regulator), PWC Legal as our counsel, auditors, and tax advisers, we have to reflect the matter comprehensively. The summary pages tend to be important whilst the flow charts are there to assist with visuals. Whilst you may consider it excessive, we have condensed both the tokenisation and the use case significantly. Some of our team have longstanding careers in investment banking, corporate audit, and structured finance. Any offering circular in asset backed bonds, a closed end fund prospectus or an euqity placement memorandum would run into hundreds of pages and a 8x multiple word count. Our target was to simplify the sourcing, issuance and distribution of asset financing with benefits to participants and developers alike whilst substantially reducing transaction cost to enable and accelerate that. That is the key proposition of blockchain and only our platform is live and doing that. Having a listed token today is secondary. Here are some bullet points which focus on the key points to our platform: · First-mover Advantage - HanseCoin is the world's first regulated blockchain platform to tokenise hard assets; · Technology - Solid Blockchain technology applied properly greatly lowers transaction costs across the board from project inception to completion thus participants reap high yields; · Demand - Leading developers and sponsors across Europe wish to onboard their projects onto our platform; · Regulatory Compliant - Regulatory passporting capacity into the majority of EU markets and capacity to go beyond; · Client Access to Higher Yield - Development projects bring high yields to people who are not classic development investors at a time of historically low interest rates; · Risk Mitigation - Excellent diversification opportunity to peg capital to the value of the underlying hard assets. · Ongoing Transaction & Success Fee Generation - The platform generates ongoing transaction fees per project. The more projects and more participants, the higher the profits which are shared between Participants and the platform. But the way, together with CoinMetro (www.coinmetro.com) and its CEO Kevin Murcko we will at Slush to present their exchange and our platform as the first solid Asset Backed Token for hard assets to listed on CoinMetro. Q: How do projects such as https://www.meridio.co compete with HanseCoin? A: Meridio.co offers fractional ownership which, whilst fine as a concept, does not lend itself to fit the tokenised securities approach EU regulators are starting to take (they have MIFID, AIFM, etc. to work with) and the specific segment of project/asset financing where development capital is actually required, the small and mid cap segment in Europe and beyond (we call it 'the gap' of EUR 1.5 to EUR 10 m of equity participations in projects) is not addressed. HanseCoin already owns shovel ready land and its platform is regulated. Q: A few questions: 1a. Which tokens do private sale participants receive for their contribution? VPAT, PPT or both? 2a. Are VPAT tokens temporary in nature, having no further use once they have been swapped or burned following the completion of the platform development? 3a. What is the main potential benefit to a participant in acquiring VPAT tokens? 4a. Is PPT the participation token for the first project only or for all future projects supported by the platform? (Or something in between?) 5a. What is the HanseCoin master token? A: 1a. The private sale participants receive VPATs. 2a. The VPAT is the asset backed token which starts the platform and provides exclusive access to (a) the PPTs prior to them becoming tradable as well as (b) the VBTs. All VPATs are burned, swapped, or extended at the end of the vesting period. 3a. The VPAT provides exclusive access to future tokens including the tradeable PPT, VBTs for bonuses, and potential further privileges which the platform may grant to its early sponsors and participants. The VPAT is also the only path to secure discounted PPT token access. 4a. As of today, the PPT covers the initial project use case. Each additional project will see an appropriate amount of PPTs issued to reflect the initial capital requirement of the underlying asset development project at its inception. During the platform development and regulation phase, additional VPATs will be issued in regard to further projects in the pipeline. The first PPT will be known as HanseCoin 8. Each additional project will countdown from 8 thus the second project will be known as HanseCoin 7, and so forth. Upon the first issuance and listing of a PPT, thus subject to further regulation of tokenised securities, it is envisaged to have VPATs only issued for each private sale phase. 5a. A master coin which represents not just one specific project but the value of HanseCoin as a whole company will be issued at some point when project tokens have gained critical mass in terms of projects, countries/markets covered and distribution. It seems likely that the countdown will fit well with this. The valuation will be dictated by the ongoing projects, projects to be on-boarded, and any white-labelling on the HanseCoin platform. We envisage that all original VPAT holders should have privileged access to an attractive bonus for the master coin which shall be accrued through VBTs during the PPT issuance period. These specific VBTs would vest until the issuance of the master coin. This is an exclusive benefit to the initial VPAT participants. Q: So are VPAT and PPT *categories* of token rather that the actual tokens themselves? In other words, HanseCoin 8 is *a* PPT not *the* PPT? Also, if private sale participants receive VPATs, then why does hansecoin.coinmetro.com offer "HANS" tokens, which Chris tells me refers to "HanseCoin 8" tokens? Shouldn't coinmetro be offering VPAT tokens at this stage, not PPT tokens? A: VPAT is a virtual token. PPT will be a compliant tokenized security we issue sometime next year, potentially ahead of the projected 9 month vesting period of the VPAT. The PPT will be compliant, in line with regulations as they are formed. HANS is the ticker for the VPAT. Only the first phase VPAT currently exists that represents the first use case. HanseCoin 8 is the first use case. HanseCoin 7 will be the second use case, ticking down by one each time a new project is launched. By the way, there is no such thing as a security token even though STO stands for security token offering. But then, many of the terms used in the cryptospace have been bastardized such as the term 'whitepaper'. Q: I presume the VPAT for the second project will have a different ticker? What is the ticker for the first PPT (HanseCoin 8)? A: A ticker will be assigned then by the listing exchange and the symbol is not decided, yet, although it seems reasonable to consider a variation of HANS (which is the ticker for the first VPAT) plus an indicator (technically, the ticker can remain as is whilst the sub-category is defined as an index).
[uncensored-r/CryptoCurrency] A top ten ranking of the best cryptocurrency pricing websites based on popularity, UI, UX, speed,...
The following post by TheChandog is being replicated because the post has been openly greylisted(for 7.0 hours). (It was approved by the mods at: 2018-02-21T09:15:22.000Z) The original post can be found(in censored form) at this link: np.reddit.com/ CryptoCurrency/comments/7yxr3z The open modlog reason it was greylisted as reported by /CryptoCurrency was: Section 1B-2 - Blacklisted Domains. Domain detected: coincodex.com. The original post's content was as follows:
I'm trying to put together a list and ranking of the best pricing websites excluding professional trader tools and charting software. The current order is based on popularity, UI, UX, speed, and data availability. Most, if not all, of these sites are well known, so the intention is to aggregate a proper list of ranking.
Please discuss in comments if you think the order is wrong, have feedback from the site usage, or if a website is missing from list.
[Live data, ad free] - the golden standard which includes very detailed pricing information for casual and professional traders. Impressive tech stack with live data and real time updates. From their about section: "Cryptowatch is a cryptocurrency charting and trading platform owned by Kraken. Our system serves live data on 400+ markets to clients around the world.". Key features - Live data and real-time updates on 400+ markets
[Delayed data, ads] - the most well known, most visited, and most popular price website. Subpar UI, delayed quotes, and infection of ads, take the hit on the rankings. None the less, tons of detailed data, useful tools and most used by far. Extensive data-set of coins as well. FAQ here. Key features - Extremely extensive data-set and data availability
[Live data, ad free] - a clean, fast, real time, live pricing and charts website. CoinTick.io has an interesting feature to their site in live-change charts (time since page load). That allows for a very unique chart based on how long you have spent viewing the page. No ads is a huge plus as well as live data and real time updates. Key features - Modern UI, live data and real time updates
[No live data, ads] - Similar to coinmarketcap with a subpar UI, however many listings and useful tools. "WorldCoinIndex is cryptocurrency source with price information and news. We supply fast and reliable price information. We have listed over 400 cryptocurrencies and our platform is connected to more than 35 cryptocurrency exchanges."
[Live data, ads] - "At CryptoCompare we pride ourselves in showing the most accurate live prices, charting and market analysis from 65 of the top crypto exchanges globally. Our content editors keep the mining data, be it company, mining equipment or mining contracts up to date with the latest pricing and products available on the market."
[No live data, ads] - "Whether you're looking for Bitcoin price, ICO release date of an altcoin, or simply ways to follow coins on a watchlist, coincodex.com is the right site for you. We're providing real-time coin prices, historical charts and crypto market cap for more than 770 coins on 50 major exchanges on your computer, tablet, and mobile phone. With world-class service and with a growing crypto community, coincodex.com is the obvious choice, if you really want to know your crypto!"
[No live data, ads] - "At CryptoCompare we pride ourselves in showing the most accurate live prices, charting and market analysis from 65 of the top crypto exchanges globally. Our content editors keep the mining data, be it company, mining equipment or mining contracts up to date with the latest pricing and products available on the market."
Notable exclusions: TradingView, Coinigy, GDAX Please discuss in comments if you think the order is wrong, have feedback from the site usage, or if a website is missing from list.
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